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jerico a écrit :celle de gauche c'est écrit...
blues devil a écrit :jerico a écrit :celle de gauche c'est écrit...
quand on est face ou dos aux grattes?
jerico a écrit :celle de gauche c'est écrit...
La Jaguar, elle est excellente.
combien tu en veux?
tubelectron a écrit :
El Grego : que vaut le tremolo "flottant" de la ta Jaguar ? Tu t'en est déjà servi ? D'aucun disent qu'il ne vaut mieux pas l'utiliser... Quel est ton point de vue ?
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chris30660 a écrit :Oui elle est géniale !
La mienne va trouver un nouveau papa !
culbuto a écrit :El Grego,
... T'es qu'un petit salopard ! ...
Sur une Mustang, je n'avais pas été convaincu du tout. Ca tendait à désaccorder la guitare.
1) The Fender Synchronized Tremolo, popularly known as the strat trem, introduced on the Fender Stratocaster in 1954 and the basis of the Floyd Rose and many other later designs.
2) The Fender Floating Tremolo, introduced on the Fender Jazzmaster in 1958 and later also used on the Fender Bass VI (1961) and Jaguar (1962). It used separate bridge and tailpiece units, unlike the strat trem in which they were integrated. This distinctive bridge unit was called the Fender Floating Bridge.
2) The Fender Dynamic Vibrato, known as the 'stang trem, introduced on the Fender Mustang in 1964. The 'stang trem used a slightly simplified version of the Fender Floating Bridge but a completely different tailpiece, whose mechanism overlaps the bridge but is still distinct from it. The bridges of the various floating bridge designs (Jazzmaster, Bass VI, Jaguar and Mustang) can all be interchanged with only slight modifications, but the body routings for the Dynamic Vibrato tailpiece are completely different to those for the Floating Tremolo.
1) The strat trem is the basis of the current premium Fender design, the Fender Two-point Synchronized Tremolo, and is still also available in its original form from Fender. It has become the basis of most other competing trem units too, notably the Floyd Rose. It's a versatile and proven design, used successfully for both mellow and extreme effects, and while some of us think it does everything passably well and nothing really brilliantly, for most working musos it's the obvious choice.
2) The Fender Floating Tremolo is exceptionally stable once properly set up, and has a distinctive mellow sound loved by surf bands, particularly when combined with the Jaguar pickups. Complex, expensive to build and laborious to set up, it has spawned few if any imitators.
3) The 'stang trem is particularly suited to extreme sounds, such as dive-bombs. A few imitations over the years, but none have really caught on.
Fender currently also offers licensed Bigsby units, as do many other makers, notably Gibson. Again, it's a distinctive sound. It predates any of the Leo Fender designs, and unlike them it's also suitable for acoustic and semi-acoustic guitars.
El Grego a écrit :Ils sont tous completements différents.
AMHA le meilleur est celui des jags/jazzmaster. Il est souple et doux, permet de faire beaucoup de chose et reste toujours super stable.
Mais comme la dit la phrase en gras, il est excellent mais super chiant à regler.
thegearpage a écrit :Jazzmaster - 21-fret, 25.5" scale. Full thickness body. 'Floating' tremolo that works very well if set up correctly (which is something that a lot of techs have difficulty with, for some reason). It feels looser than a Strat, and doesn't have the same range, but it does stay in tune very well. Large single-coil pickups that sound bigger and deeper than normal Fender single-coils. Quite a full-sounding guitar that works well for most 'alt' styles - especially semi-clean to fuzzy/distorted, but also works reasonably well for some more traditional blues-based overdrive tones, although singing sustain is not its strong point. 10s are about the minimum practical string gauge.
Jaguar - 22-fret, 24" scale. Full thickness body. Same tremolo as the Jazzmaster. Narrow, more traditional Fender single-coil pickups, that sound more focused and percussive. They're not identical to Strat pickups though - they have metal 'claw' brackets that widen the magnetic field and actually make the electric sound darker, although this is offset by the brighter, thinner sound of the bridge and short scale. Less apparent sustain than the Jazzmaster, although actually it's about the same overall, but with a very sharp, snappy attack that makes the decay after it seem quicker. Works very well either totally clean or with very heavy fuzz/distortion, but poorly with mild overdrive - the notes seem to 'die'. More of an alt/grunge guitar. 11s are the minimum gauge that works well (original ones often have too powerful a trem spring for anything lighter).
Mustang - 22-fret, 24" scale. Thin body. Different trem - awkward to set up and not very stable, a lot of people lock them down - but sustains a bit better than the Jaguar. The bridge has different, non-height adjustable saddles that some people prefer, and will fit on the Jaguar/Jazzmaster bridge. Strat-type pickups (nearly identical, but with hidden polepieces). Has phase switching too, so it can do some really funky, 'chinky' tones. Slightly cleaner and brighter-sounding than the Jaguar overall. They work OK with 10s - the string length behind the bridge is much shorter than the Jaguar - but 11s are better.
(There are rare early Mustangs with the 21-fret 22.5"-scale neck - usually the narrow A-width, but they don't work very well... best avoided unless you have tiny hands.)
The US RIs (Jazzmaster and Jaguar only) are good - they don't IMO have quite the character of the old ones, but close. Later 60s (and particularly early-70s) models are good guitars and not too expensive, if you don't mind the block-marker bound necks and bigger headstocks. IMO the Japanese ones aren't too bad, but need major electrics upgrades. The woodwork and fretting is good, and the metal hardware not bad. But you can get originals for not a lot more - an original Jag in particular is possibly less expensive than a US RI, unless you must have a pre-CBS one in a cool color. Original Mustangs aren't expensive (or rare) at all, I really don't see the point in the Japanese reissue, especially as it's IMO the least good of the three.
I've played all of these a fair bit BTW - the Jaguar was actually my favorite, although I liked the Mustang too, for it's own different sound. The Jazzmaster seems the most popular generally - I think most people find the longer scale easier to get on with. I liked the short-scale ones... but I do have small hands. I think at one point I had most of the short-scale Fenders in my part of the world - I've owned a '65 Jag, '65 & '77 Mustangs, '64 Duo-Sonic (same as the Mustang but with no trem - an excellent and under-rated guitar), '65 and '78 Musicmasters (same as the Duo-Sonic but with just a neck pickup) and a '78 Bronco (same as the Musicmaster but with the pickup at the bridge, and yet another style of trem), and... two Swingers! An oddity made of left-over short-scale Mustang and Musicmaster parts, on cut-down Bass V bodies...
Wikipedia a écrit :Comme la Jazzmaster, la Jaguar utilise un système de vibrato « flottant » unique, très différent du vibrato synchronisé de la Stratocaster. Leo Fender préférait le design du système flottant, qui permet au chevalet et aux cordes de bouger longitudinalement lorsque la barre de vibrato est actionnée, et donc ne perturbe pas l'accordage de la guitare. Si l'idée est bonne en théorie, le résultat final sur la Jazzmaster et la Jaguar est plus problématique et constitue l'un des points faibles (ou l'un des charmes, selon le point de vue) de ces modèles, malgré la présence d'un ingénieux mécanisme de blocage du vibrato permettant de conserver l'accordage si une corde casse.
Viagra a écrit :Elle me tente bien cette pelle...
chris30660 a écrit :Rapide !
tubelectron a écrit :Merci el grego et cedre pour les infos sur les tremolos Fender +++ !
On lit donc tout et son contraire sur le sujet, et faute d'un essai pour en juger, la rumeur fait long feu, qu'elle se justifie ou pas ! Il y a encore et toujours du mojo dans l'air...
Par ailleurs, savez-vous me donner le lien ou vous avez découvert ces infos intéressantes, d'autant plus qu'elles sont contradictoires ?
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